UKPC Parking Charge - In Disabled Space advice please

bob2dis · 17th June 2009, 00:34

The lowdown is I was visiting a friend, I parked in a disabled bay as no other spaces were available (there was two disabled bays both empty so i parked in one) There was a clear sign saying about fines etc which I admit i ignored as I was only using the space for a short while, The company is UKPC, they left a note on my windscreen which i found the next morning although it was soaked and completely unreadable. I went home and a few days later received a letter asking me to pay £45 within 14 days or £90 after that with a photo of my car on it. It is on private land.

My questions are as follows:

1) should i ignore it or pay it?
2) In how many cases does ignoring them completely work?
3) should I send them any kind of letter about the payment request they have made and if they do start with threats at what point should I send them a letter?
4) it's my understanding from what ive read that they cannot prove that I am the driver of the car only the owner is this worth persuing?
5) Bailliffs is this a possibility?

cheers

B

dx100uk · 17th June 2009, 00:48

ignore

nothing but ignore

do some reading in this forum.
http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...king-fine.html

its nothing to do with county courts or the council, so no bailliffs will ever be involved

dx

wheelergeezer · 17th June 2009, 09:51

10000000000% IGNORE it. Whatever you do, do not contact them in any way at all, phone or letters. They will send you a series of seemingly scary letters, some from apparent debt collectors autolinker.com autolinking image

(still them) and solicitors (still them again). Then they will just go away.

bob2dis · 23rd June 2009, 15:40

Ok have ignored, I will post all letters etc that I get regarding this, so other people can decide whether they want to do the same.

Cheers

letshelp · 24th June 2009, 11:49

Apart from the moral point of parking in a disabled bay, these marked bays on private land have no legal status whatsoever. So continue to ignore.
regards

bob2dis · 26th June 2009, 13:27

I recieved this a a short while ago, I have not yet contacted them in any regard. It states that the "parking charge has not been paid" and It is "now too late to pay a discounted rate" it now stands at £90. I will keep posting everything that comes through from them. Do you think I should be considering contacting them yet, for proof of the driver and that the fine is disproportionate?

Cheers

Bob2dis

**** Unfortunatly this is the largest I can get the letters to appear, the originals I uploaded were full size, if anyone knows of another way please share

Al27 · 26th June 2009, 13:37

Don't contact them. Ignore their fraudulent rubbish.

Feel free to forward a copy to you local Trading Standards - play dumb and say you aren't sure whether you should pay it as you are unsure whether it is the result of a council pcn autolinker.com autolinking image

, as it is headed 'Charge Certificate'.

Will be interesting to hear what they say.

dx100uk · 26th June 2009, 13:43

no ignore them

please do some reading in this forum

there is nothing they can do to you

you did NOT sign a contract when you used the car park.
thus their 'invoice' is just a windscreen flyer.

dx

lamma · 26th June 2009, 13:47

or send hard copies to the council parking dept complaining about the non-compliant charge certificate. better yet send them to the TPT. while ignoring the PPC.

bob2dis · 26th June 2009, 14:09

I am more than happy to forward a copy to the local local Trading Standards and the council parking dept. I will see if I can find addresses and will do so, if I get any response I will post the result.

dx100uk: I have now read this forum in depth and should it go so far as I am forced to make contact I have the letter templates provided by Bernie_the_Bolt, which for others information is here.

I dont see it going that far though I expect them to give up.

Cheers

Bob2dis

Al27 · 26th June 2009, 19:16

Bernie's letters are good, but the best thing we've discovered is to NEVER contact them. They want you to write so that they can weigh you up, which is why they have a fake 'appeals' address.

If you never contact them you're onto a winner - they get bored sooner, and they won't take you to court (not that there's much chance of that anyway). Too risky doing court - the parking company have no idea who they'd be taking on.

letshelp · 26th June 2009, 21:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob2dis

I recieved this a a short while ago, I have not yet contacted them in any regard. It states that the "parking charge has not been paid" and It is "now too late to pay a discounted rate" it now stands at £90. I will keep posting everything that comes through from them. Do you think I should be considering contacting them yet, for proof of the driver and that the fine is disproportionate?

Cheers

Bob2dis

Bob, as stated by other do NOT contact them, hold your nerve and ignore these clowns.
regards

bob2dis · 14th July 2009, 01:58

Hi all,
Last week I received another letter this time from Debt Recovery Plus Ltd, This is where it starts to get interesting, I have still had no contact what so ever with UKPC or this Debt Recovery Plus Ltd, does anyone know anything about them.

Heres the information on the letter.

Debt recovery Plus Ltd
P.O. Box 259,
Ashton Under Lyne,
OL6 0ES

Secure Payment

Registered Office: 5 Grange Park Road, Cheadle, Cheshire, SK8 1HQ
Company Registration Number: 6774510

The letter warns of "intended Litigation before legal proceeding in the county court autolinker.com autolinking image

are issued."

"Unless you pay us the amount in full within 10 days or contact us immediately with your proposals for payment our solicitors WILL commence legal action against you. If successful this could lead to a county court autolinker.com autolinking image

Judgement being issued against you. Enforcement options include:
-Warrant of execution by baliffs against goods owned.
-An attachment of Earnings order (whats this?)
- Your personal Effects being sold to pay the amount at judgement.
The courts will also be requested to award statutory interest autolinker.com autolinking image

, court costs and legal fees which will significantly increase the amount outstanding."

"Ignoring this letter will not make it go away. Legal proceedings will follow."

Advice on what I should do, do i need to get them to pass me back to the UKPC Ltd as its a disbuted claim or carry on ignoring as its same people?

Bob

sameagle · 14th July 2009, 08:05

I thought that "litigation" and "legal proceedings" were the same thing.

Sam

dx100uk · 14th July 2009, 09:09

bailiffs my foot!

ignore
ignore
ignore

dx

lamma · 14th July 2009, 10:24

"Ignoring this letter will not make it go away". They are correct, ignoring the letter does not make the letter go away. Put it in the drawer and ignore it and it will still be there months later long after the PPC and their powerless DCA autolinker.com autolinking image

friends have gone away. You have been warned !

And you will still have the all their letters just in case you wish to send complaints to TS, CSA etc etc. Never ignore their letters, always file them carefully in the 'evidence drawer' and keep them for quite some time - just in case the PPC has a rush of blood months down the line or the letters become useful for a public consultation.

17th June 2009, 00:34	#1 (permalink)
bob2dis Basic Account Holder Your bank owes you an awful lot more money than you realise See here Cagger since : Jun 2009 Posts: 5	UKPC Parking Charge - In Disabled Space advice please The lowdown is I was visiting a friend, I parked in a disabled bay as no other spaces were available (there was two disabled bays both empty so i parked in one) There was a clear sign saying about fines etc which I admit i ignored as I was only using the space for a short while, The company is UKPC, they left a note on my windscreen which i found the next morning although it was soaked and completely unreadable. I went home and a few days later received a letter asking me to pay £45 within 14 days or £90 after that with a photo of my car on it. It is on private land. My questions are as follows: 1) should i ignore it or pay it? 2) In how many cases does ignoring them completely work? 3) should I send them any kind of letter about the payment request they have made and if they do start with threats at what point should I send them a letter? 4) it's my understanding from what ive read that they cannot prove that I am the driver of the car only the owner is this worth persuing? 5) Bailliffs is this a possibility? cheers B Last edited by bob2dis; 26th June 2009 at 13:37.

17th June 2009, 00:48	#2 (permalink)
dx100uk Platinum Account Holder Free trial on our eBay auction sniper Cagger since : Dec 2006 Posts: 6,097	Re: UKPC Parking Charge - In Disabled Space advice please ignore nothing but ignore do some reading in this forum. http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...king-fine.html its nothing to do with county courts or the council, so no bailliffs will ever be involved dx Last edited by dx100uk; 17th June 2009 at 01:29. Reason: link added

17th June 2009, 09:51	#3 (permalink)
wheelergeezer Basic Account Holder Is your bank avoiding its debts Data disclosure poll Cagger since : Feb 2009 Posts: 243	Re: UKPC Parking Charge - In Disabled Space advice please 10000000000% IGNORE it. Whatever you do, do not contact them in any way at all, phone or letters. They will send you a series of seemingly scary letters, some from apparent debt collectors (still them) and solicitors (still them again). Then they will just go away.

23rd June 2009, 15:40	#4 (permalink)
bob2dis Basic Account Holder Your bank owes you an awful lot more money than you realise See here Cagger since : Jun 2009 Posts: 5	Re: UKPC Parking Charge - In Disabled Space advice please Ok have ignored, I will post all letters etc that I get regarding this, so other people can decide whether they want to do the same. Cheers

24th June 2009, 11:49	#5 (permalink)
letshelp Classic Account Holder Worried about your signature being copied onto CCAs etc? Use SignGuard Cagger since : Apr 2008 I am in: in hell Posts: 1,314	Re: UKPC Parking Charge - In Disabled Space advice please Apart from the moral point of parking in a disabled bay, these marked bays on private land have no legal status whatsoever. So continue to ignore. regards

26th June 2009, 13:37	#7 (permalink)
Al27 Classic Account Holder eBay user? Find misspellings and zero-bid items Cagger since : Feb 2008 Posts: 2,465	Re: UKPC Parking Charge - In Disabled Space advice please Don't contact them. Ignore their fraudulent rubbish. Feel free to forward a copy to you local Trading Standards - play dumb and say you aren't sure whether you should pay it as you are unsure whether it is the result of a council pcn, as it is headed 'Charge Certificate'. Will be interesting to hear what they say.

26th June 2009, 13:43	#8 (permalink)
dx100uk Platinum Account Holder eBay user? Find misspellings and zero-bid items Cagger since : Dec 2006 Posts: 6,097	Re: UKPC Parking Charge - In Disabled Space advice please no ignore them please do some reading in this forum there is nothing they can do to you you did NOT sign a contract when you used the car park. thus their 'invoice' is just a windscreen flyer. dx

26th June 2009, 13:47	#9 (permalink)
lamma Gold Account Holder Is your bank avoiding its debts Data disclosure poll Cagger since : Apr 2008 Posts: 5,323	Re: UKPC Parking Charge - In Disabled Space advice please or send hard copies to the council parking dept complaining about the non-compliant charge certificate. better yet send them to the TPT. while ignoring the PPC.

26th June 2009, 14:09	#10 (permalink)
bob2dis Basic Account Holder We need funds Please donate something Cagger since : Jun 2009 Posts: 5	Re: UKPC Parking Charge - In Disabled Space advice please I am more than happy to forward a copy to the local local Trading Standards and the council parking dept. I will see if I can find addresses and will do so, if I get any response I will post the result. dx100uk: I have now read this forum in depth and should it go so far as I am forced to make contact I have the letter templates provided by Bernie_the_Bolt, which for others information is here. I dont see it going that far though I expect them to give up. Cheers Bob2dis Last edited by bob2dis; 26th June 2009 at 14:24.

26th June 2009, 19:16	#11 (permalink)
Al27 Classic Account Holder eBay user? Find misspellings and zero-bid items Cagger since : Feb 2008 Posts: 2,465	Re: UKPC Parking Charge - In Disabled Space advice please Bernie's letters are good, but the best thing we've discovered is to NEVER contact them. They want you to write so that they can weigh you up, which is why they have a fake 'appeals' address. If you never contact them you're onto a winner - they get bored sooner, and they won't take you to court (not that there's much chance of that anyway). Too risky doing court - the parking company have no idea who they'd be taking on.

14th July 2009, 01:58	#13 (permalink)
bob2dis Basic Account Holder eBay user? Find misspellings and zero-bid items Cagger since : Jun 2009 Posts: 5	Re: UKPC Parking Charge - In Disabled Space advice please Hi all, Last week I received another letter this time from Debt Recovery Plus Ltd, This is where it starts to get interesting, I have still had no contact what so ever with UKPC or this Debt Recovery Plus Ltd, does anyone know anything about them. Heres the information on the letter. Debt recovery Plus Ltd P.O. Box 259, Ashton Under Lyne, OL6 0ES Secure Payment Registered Office: 5 Grange Park Road, Cheadle, Cheshire, SK8 1HQ Company Registration Number: 6774510 The letter warns of "intended Litigation before legal proceeding in the county court are issued." "Unless you pay us the amount in full within 10 days or contact us immediately with your proposals for payment our solicitors WILL commence legal action against you. If successful this could lead to a county court Judgement being issued against you. Enforcement options include: -Warrant of execution by baliffs against goods owned. -An attachment of Earnings order (whats this?) - Your personal Effects being sold to pay the amount at judgement. The courts will also be requested to award statutory interest, court costs and legal fees which will significantly increase the amount outstanding." "Ignoring this letter will not make it go away. Legal proceedings will follow." Advice on what I should do, do i need to get them to pass me back to the UKPC Ltd as its a disbuted claim or carry on ignoring as its same people? Bob Last edited by bob2dis; 14th July 2009 at 03:54.

14th July 2009, 08:05	#14 (permalink)
sameagle Basic Account Holder Protect your signature with SignGuard Cagger since : Aug 2008 Posts: 159	Re: UKPC Parking Charge - In Disabled Space advice please I thought that "litigation" and "legal proceedings" were the same thing. Sam

14th July 2009, 09:09	#15 (permalink)
dx100uk Platinum Account Holder Worried about companies stealing your signature? Use our new digital signature service Cagger since : Dec 2006 Posts: 6,097	Re: UKPC Parking Charge - In Disabled Space advice please bailiffs my foot! ignore ignore ignore dx

14th July 2009, 10:24	#16 (permalink)
lamma Gold Account Holder Protect your signature with SignGuard Cagger since : Apr 2008 Posts: 5,323	Re: UKPC Parking Charge - In Disabled Space advice please "Ignoring this letter will not make it go away". They are correct, ignoring the letter does not make the letter go away. Put it in the drawer and ignore it and it will still be there months later long after the PPC and their powerless DCA friends have gone away. You have been warned ! And you will still have the all their letters just in case you wish to send complaints to TS, CSA etc etc. Never ignore their letters, always file them carefully in the 'evidence drawer' and keep them for quite some time - just in case the PPC has a rush of blood months down the line or the letters become useful for a public consultation.