Traffic PCN Southwark Council

Andy7807 · 1st July 2009, 21:31

Hi all

I have today, received a Charge Certicate from Southwark Council telling me that I didn't pay a pcn autolinker.com autolinking image

issued to me on 19th May. I never recieved the PCN.

The allegded offence was on 6th May, 51J failing to comply with a no entry sign. I couldn't think where this had supposed to have happened but looking at Google street view, it looks like the road layout has changed since the last time I was there and the road that it may have occurred on is now local buses only, (it wasn't going up a one way street!).

The original fine is £120, now £180 as the orignal PCN wasn't paid.

I intend to ring the council tomorrow, where do I stand about not receiving the PCN? I'm sure they have lots of people saying 'I didn't receive it' I can't prove that I didn't.

Does the 14 days apply for issuing a PCN the same as other traffic offences?

If they sent it on 19th, they must have been hoping it got to me the next day. I had two other people in the car with me at the time and neither of them remember me going through no entry signs. By the by, if I did it then need to pay, but I only want to pay the £120 as I didn't get the original PCN.

cream70 · 2nd July 2009, 10:01

You will have to make a make a statutory declaration.
Southwark council will then reissue the pcn at its original
amount allowing you to pay or appeal.

Andy7807 · 2nd July 2009, 10:06

Ok, thanks, how do I do that?

Andy7807 · 2nd July 2009, 10:37

Just spoke to the council, woman said to put it in writing that I never recieved the pcn autolinker.com autolinking image

and they will take it from there.

cream70 · 2nd July 2009, 10:38

http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/1043.htm
http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/7017.htm

The forms are here:

http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/c...cationPack.pdf

Andy7807 · 2nd July 2009, 10:39

Excellent, thanks Cream70

lamma · 2nd July 2009, 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy7807

Just spoke to the council, woman said to put it in writing that I never recieved the pcn autolinker.com autolinking image

and they will take it from there.

use the forms ! council woman was trapping you into sending a useless letter that the council is free to ignore until its too late for you.

Andy7807 · 2nd July 2009, 16:04

Looking at the Stat Dec info it refers to an Order for Recovery, I don't think we're at that stage yet? Will the Charge be registered at TEC yet?

lamma · 2nd July 2009, 16:30

check with the TEC. Stat dec only valid after the OFR.

Andy7807 · 25th July 2009, 14:29

As an Update, I wrote to the council saying that I didn't receive the original pcn autolinker.com autolinking image

and that I don't recall going through a no entry sign. They put the Charge cert on hold while they investigated. They wrote back saying they had looked into my representations and that there were no grounds for cancelling the PCN ( I hadn't asked them to cancel it, just let me see the original PCN!). They did say the PCN had been posted but must have got lost in the post and so they allowed me to pay the reduced charge of £60, which I have done.

Andy7807 · 14th October 2009, 20:56

Update on this. I paid the reduced charge once I received the original pcn autolinker.com autolinking image

with the pic showing me going thorough the no entry sign.

Today I recieved a letter from Southwark, just saying,

'Thank you for your enquiry regarding this penalty notice, I have been instructed to issue a refund.' along with a cheque for £60.

I haven't sent any further letters to the council, I have no idea why they have refunded the money, any one have any idea? Not complaining just wondered why the change of course after it seems I was bang to rights.

crem · 14th October 2009, 21:23

I think as a sign of good faith you should refuse to cash the cheque

Andy7807 · 15th October 2009, 08:57

Yeah, that'll teach 'em

1st July 2009, 21:31	#1 (permalink)
Andy7807 Basic Account Holder Is your bank avoiding its debts Data disclosure poll Cagger since : Feb 2007 Posts: 110	Traffic PCN Southwark Council Hi all I have today, received a Charge Certicate from Southwark Council telling me that I didn't pay a pcn issued to me on 19th May. I never recieved the PCN. The allegded offence was on 6th May, 51J failing to comply with a no entry sign. I couldn't think where this had supposed to have happened but looking at Google street view, it looks like the road layout has changed since the last time I was there and the road that it may have occurred on is now local buses only, (it wasn't going up a one way street!). The original fine is £120, now £180 as the orignal PCN wasn't paid. I intend to ring the council tomorrow, where do I stand about not receiving the PCN? I'm sure they have lots of people saying 'I didn't receive it' I can't prove that I didn't. Does the 14 days apply for issuing a PCN the same as other traffic offences? If they sent it on 19th, they must have been hoping it got to me the next day. I had two other people in the car with me at the time and neither of them remember me going through no entry signs. By the by, if I did it then need to pay, but I only want to pay the £120 as I didn't get the original PCN.

2nd July 2009, 10:01	#2 (permalink)
cream70 Basic Account Holder Free trial on our eBay auction sniper Cagger since : Sep 2007 Posts: 29	Re: Traffic PCN Southwark Council You will have to make a make a statutory declaration. Southwark council will then reissue the pcn at its original amount allowing you to pay or appeal.

2nd July 2009, 10:06	#3 (permalink)
Andy7807 Basic Account Holder eBay user? Find misspellings and zero-bid items Cagger since : Feb 2007 Posts: 110	Re: Traffic PCN Southwark Council Ok, thanks, how do I do that?

2nd July 2009, 10:37	#4 (permalink)
Andy7807 Basic Account Holder We need funds Please donate something Cagger since : Feb 2007 Posts: 110	Re: Traffic PCN Southwark Council Just spoke to the council, woman said to put it in writing that I never recieved the pcn and they will take it from there.

2nd July 2009, 10:38	#5 (permalink)
cream70 Basic Account Holder Have we helped you? Please help us by making a donation Cagger since : Sep 2007 Posts: 29	Re: Traffic PCN Southwark Council http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/1043.htm http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/7017.htm The forms are here: http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/c...cationPack.pdf

2nd July 2009, 10:39	#6 (permalink)
Andy7807 Basic Account Holder Worried about your signature being copied onto CCAs etc? Use SignGuard Cagger since : Feb 2007 Posts: 110	Re: Traffic PCN Southwark Council Excellent, thanks Cream70

2nd July 2009, 16:04	#8 (permalink)
Andy7807 Basic Account Holder Where else can you earn 8% interest on your money? Start your County Court claim NOW!!! Cagger since : Feb 2007 Posts: 110	Re: Traffic PCN Southwark Council Looking at the Stat Dec info it refers to an Order for Recovery, I don't think we're at that stage yet? Will the Charge be registered at TEC yet?

2nd July 2009, 16:30	#9 (permalink)
lamma Gold Account Holder Have we helped you? Please help us by making a donation Cagger since : Apr 2008 Posts: 5,307	Re: Traffic PCN Southwark Council check with the TEC. Stat dec only valid after the OFR.

25th July 2009, 14:29	#10 (permalink)
Andy7807 Basic Account Holder Our auction sniper is now live. Try it for free Cagger since : Feb 2007 Posts: 110	Re: Traffic PCN Southwark Council As an Update, I wrote to the council saying that I didn't receive the original pcn and that I don't recall going through a no entry sign. They put the Charge cert on hold while they investigated. They wrote back saying they had looked into my representations and that there were no grounds for cancelling the PCN ( I hadn't asked them to cancel it, just let me see the original PCN!). They did say the PCN had been posted but must have got lost in the post and so they allowed me to pay the reduced charge of £60, which I have done.

14th October 2009, 20:56	#11 (permalink)
Andy7807 Basic Account Holder Try our eBay sniping service Cagger since : Feb 2007 Posts: 110	Re: Traffic PCN Southwark Council Update on this. I paid the reduced charge once I received the original pcn with the pic showing me going thorough the no entry sign. Today I recieved a letter from Southwark, just saying, 'Thank you for your enquiry regarding this penalty notice, I have been instructed to issue a refund.' along with a cheque for £60. I haven't sent any further letters to the council, I have no idea why they have refunded the money, any one have any idea? Not complaining just wondered why the change of course after it seems I was bang to rights.

14th October 2009, 21:23	#12 (permalink)
crem Classic Account Holder Have we helped you? Please help us by making a donation Cagger since : Jun 2008 I am in: Sunderland Posts: 2,820	Re: Traffic PCN Southwark Council I think as a sign of good faith you should refuse to cash the cheque

15th October 2009, 08:57	#13 (permalink)
Andy7807 Basic Account Holder Have we helped you? Please help us by making a donation Cagger since : Feb 2007 Posts: 110	Re: Traffic PCN Southwark Council Yeah, that'll teach 'em